A Backstage Interview with Michael Bierut

Michael Bierut is a partner at Pentagram and a leading voice in the world of design.

Michael studied graphic design at the University of Cincinnati’s College of Design, Architecture, Art and Planning, worked at Vignelli Associates for ten years and, as I learned from watching him host Command X: Season 3 at the AIGA Pivot Conference, has a charming stage presence and warm sense of humor.

He’s also an absolute delight to sit down and speak with.

We met with Michael at Pivot and, working under some tight time constraints, scrambled to find a quiet place to interview him in between his hosting duties. Luckily, we found a cozy dressing room backstage at the conference venue, set up our video equipment, and sat down and asked him to share with us his thoughts on design thinking.

Michael’s take on design thinking was thoughtfully laid out. He responded by highlighting two trends he was seeing in design.

ONE:

there’s something that is of interest to designers that really compels them, that I’m not sure is actually what’s being rolled up as design thinking.  And I think in a way it might be excluded by a lot of descriptions of designing processes

 

And, TWO:

And then there’s also I think…the danger with a phrase like design thinking, as it gets greater traction in the world, is that it kind of just becomes this empty sort of signifier of progressive and interesting thought, just like a lot of words like innovation or Six Sigma or all this bullsh*t

 

Michael described the role of designers in making artifacts, and the personal joy of the designer in indulging in her/his own craft…Or, as he puts it: making something new from nothing. This individualized craft and creation process, it seems, is what is underappreciated and perhaps even neglected in today’s notions of design thinking. Rather, design thinking tends to privilege a group-based approach to design (or co-design) in order to pursue some pretty ambitious goals like ‘changing the world’. Michael approaches the concept of design thinking with some caution as, according to him, it has the effect of reducing the design experience into a process that can be collaborative, managed, generalized, scaled, and made to dampen the ‘dangers’ and uncertainties of design.

In his own words, he explains these concepts further, beginning with the former trend:

 

Michael also spoke about his personal interest and motivation in design, and what he feels he contributes to projects in his role as the “designer”. To him, meeting different people and being put into new, diverse, and unfamiliar situations is incredibly stimulating. As he points out, designers are brought into situations to create beauty, surprise and imagination:

 

As we wrapped up our backstage interview, Michael made one final comment about how a deep and genuine passion for design is what ultimately leads to meaningful solutions. That is, with good intentions and care comes good design:

 

With that, our time with Michael came to a close. And before he stepped out, he left us with some kind and encouraging words:

The questions are really great, they’re really –When I first heard the subject [of the project] I thought oh, I don’t have much to say about that.  But I think you guys got something useful.

Thank you!

Posters, Spaceships + the Greater Good: A Conversation with Eddie Opara

399 days.

That’s how long Eddie Opara has been working at Pentagram since joining the New York office as partner #17 in October 2010…At least that’s how long he had been working there when we met with him back on November 3, 2011 at RGD Ontario‘s Design Thinkers conference in Toronto.

Eddie is a traditionally-trained graphic designer who began his career in print pursuing his love for poster making. He is also a self-taught software developer with a socially minded approach to design. Eddie speaks to the need for design to be open, shared, public and contributing to the greater good. And to him, design serves as a bridge between the creative and artistic, and the political, cultural and social contexts in which we live. He told us about his design ‘philosophy’ and the reason why he believes that “you’re never finished as a designer“:

Eddie explained his client work as a process of gaining a deeper understanding of his client’s needs.  To do so, he described himself as playing the role of a psychologist: Actively listening to a client and weaving together an intimate understanding of their issues by learning how the client relates to their work…Their family…To everything. In this sense, design becomes a dialogue around the making of things so that the client can better pursue their goals and ideals. It is this very cerebral process that Eddie describes as being extracted from design and connected to other disciplines as “design thinking”:

After asking Eddie what was unique about “design thinking” as compared to other ways of thinking, he told us a story from his childhood about him and his brother competing with each other to see who could draw the ‘greatest spaceship ever’ – a true design challenge in itself. Eddie would show his drawing to his brother. His brother would take a look and draw a spaceship in response. But in his response, Eddie’s brother thoroughly explained what his spaceship could do, all the features it had, and why it was so amazing. “He totally won”, according to Eddie.

Through this story, Eddie highlighted the powerful connection between mental and verbal thought in making a structure, explaining it, and enabling other people to understand it. This back and forth process of visualization, discussion, reflection and storytelling was what he described as being a unique aspect of design. It is this ability to dialogue and make that fuels Eddie’s passion for design.

As we wrapped up the interview, we also spoke with Eddie about his identity as a designer.  As Western design is a male-dominated discipline with few high profile designers of colour, we took the opportunity to ask Eddie about Stealth, his installation from the Studio Museum in Harlem in 2007 exploring the notion of identity and invisibility in race in order to understand how he expressed his own identity through his design work:

According to Eddie, design is an opportunity to bring one’s own culture to the mix as “culture adjusts the way we think and the way we feel about ourselves and how we deal with our families and our work and everything” and not doing so may do a serious diservice to the field. Finding projects that enable him to indulge in his overly creative and personal side while balancing commercial issues and objectives bring together the best of both worlds.

We look forward to seeing how Eddie’s sense of identity and style of design thinking continue to unfold through his future projects.

The Academic Interaction Designer: Jon Kolko

Jon Kolko’s career in design started with a secret desire to create CD covers. Jon went to school for industrial design where he learned about computer interaction, psychology, and computer science and developed a deep interest in interaction design. His career has since evolved working in a software enterprise, several start ups in Austin, TX, teaching and developing design curriculum at Savannah College of Art and Design, and working alongside Fortune 20 companies at Frog Design (Austin). It was these latter two roles that amplified Jon’s interests in academia, design education and the business of design.

Cameron and I first met Jon in April 2011 in Austin, Texas at the Design for Impact Bootcamp. As two curious Canadians with a deep interest in designing for social good and social impact, we signed up for the day-long deep dive. The Bootcamp was just a taste of the programming offered to students at the Austin Centre for Design (AC4D), an educational institution Jon founded in 2010 that brings together design education and business. AC4D uses interaction design and social entrepreneurship as a way to apply business practices to problems with a social or humanitarian bent to them. Throughout the bootcamp, we put this approach to design into action by interviewing people on the streets of Austin, understanding local design problems within the community, creating opportunities for addressing these problems, and finding ways to develop and produce solutions through sustainable business practices. Jon is currently the director of AC4D.

In October 2011, we caught up with Jon once again, this time to interview him for the Project. As an academic and active designer, he shared with us a unique perspective of his learnings from the field. We began by asking Jon to share with us his take on the term, “design thinking”:

Through Jon’s stool analogy, we understand design thinking as being held together by three major principles or ‘legs’: empathy (understanding what its is like to be another person), public prototyping (making things in front of and with other people), and abductive reasoning (moving forward with an incomplete world view but enough to make an informed guess to take action). It is these principles that are taught to AC4D students who are both designers and non-designers alike. As Jon explains, design thinking can perhaps be taught, but may only be relevant to one’s own craft:

Designing with social awareness and responsibility was an important area of discussion with Jon, particularly given the social aims of AC4D. He spoke to this and the lack of dialogue around designing with consequence rather than designing for artefacts:

Jon’s very honest and compelling perspectives on design thinking leave much to consider as one explores not only what design thinking is, but what impact it can have beyond the product that is designed.

For more information about Jon Kolko, please visit:
www.ac4d.com | www.jonkolko.com

Oh the places DTF will go!

2011 has been a wonderful year for Design Thinking Foundations.

Fall was only the first phase of the project, and we have been overwhelmed by the warm responses we’ve received from designers and design thinkers we’ve met along the way!

Thank you to all of the amazing people that have kindly lent their time and voices to the project. As you’ll soon see through the blog, we’ve had the opportunity to speak with some prominent leaders in design and capture some of their insights on the topic through audio, video, and graphics. We are excited to share this with you.

We are also up to our knees with rich content to make sense of and synthesize, and we will be continuing our efforts in 2012 as we visit the USA once again (namely the Bay area) to conduct some more interviews. It will be exciting to see what themes emerge from the data, but already, we’re noticing some interesting connections.

We look forward to what the New Year will bring for the project, and in the meantime, are quite humbled from the great experiences we’ve had so far.

Warm wishes this holiday season + here’s to a designful and healthy 2012.

Cheers,
Andrea & Cameron

10 Interviews and counting…

This is simply a quick update to say that after our whirlwind of conferences over the past two months, we have been quite pleased to meet some new faces and interview some pretty incredible designers and design thinkers in the field.

It’s been great to see people respond to the project and be willing to lend their time to us.

On a bit of an aside, I think Cameron and I have mastered our ability to carry around, set-up, actually use, and take-down equipment (including cameras, video stands, and yes, portable stools) in awkward and unusual spaces in conference centers, offices, hotel lobbies, and even in the powder room backstage at a conference center! We’ve become our own mobile interview unit and are happy that interviewees have been so willing to come along for the ride.

The interviews have generated a lot of great insights and perspectives. I won’t go ahead quite yet and share as we plan to profile each of our interviewees here on the blog so you can hear a snapshot of their thinking and practice as we move forward.

It’s been fun so far and we look forward to settling back into town and sitting down with some of our very own design thinkers from Canada! Stay tuned.

Design Conferences this Fall: Pivot, Design at Scale + Design Thinkers

We are gearing up for some design conferences this Fall that will be taking us around the USA + Canada in October and November. The lineup of speakers and attendees are looking quite impressive and we are excited to be attending largely as both learners and listeners.

AIGA PIVOT
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Dates: October 13-16
This three-day conference has an intriguing title, Pivot, that describes design at an inflection point and potential game-changer for managing complexity and advancing change in the world. This is an interesting theme as it speaks to the ways in which design (thinking) has been used as a force for promoting social change and innovation outside of the conventional bounds of design.

DMI Design At Scale
Location: New York, NY
Dates: October 25-26
Design at Scale offers up the challenge of asking designers and managers how design thinking and doing can scale within organizations. I think this is a really good question, particularly as design thinking has been moving across disciplines and being used as a force for driving innovation and collaboration on the scale of communities and systems.

Design Thinkers
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Dates: November 2-3
Design Thinkers is a conference hosted by RGD Ontario that is taking place in our very own backyard. Design Thinkers is RGD’s annual conference and has previously brought in the likes of thinkers like Tim Brown. We are interested in hearing the designers at this conference present, and hopefully getting more of a “homegrown” perspective on design.

We are interested in meeting folks from all walks of design and would love to meet up if you’re at any of these upcoming events. It’s going to be a busy but also what I suspect to be quite a fruitful Fall!

Welcome to DesignFoundations.ca

Hello and welcome to DesignFoundations.ca, the official site of the Design Thinking Foundations project.

We are thrilled to have our website up and running (at least a 1.0 version of it) as we begin the project. We are also excited for the designful adventures and conversations that lie ahead as we begin to map out the Fall. We’ve got our eye on some design conferences coming up and look forward to meeting lots of new people.

This project has a particularly special meaning to both Cameron and myself as it draws together a lot of the passions, interests, and work that we have been doing over the years by bringing it to light through the lens of design and design thinking. Our hope is to listen and learn from thought leaders within the field to gain their insights as to what it means to “design think” or “think about design”, and give greater weight and understanding to a discourse that has been highly popularized within the areas of design and business.

We will keep you up to date as we go and invite you to join us on this journey!